Why I am living in Saigon, Vietnam

I’ve just realized that I’ve been living in Ho Chi Minh City (the locals call it “Saigon”), Vietnam for more than a year.

Ho Chi Minh City at Dusk

I believe there’s no better place to stay in South East Asia for online entrepreneurs that are running non-venture backed businesses than Vietnam’s largest city and commercial hub. Here’s why.

1. Fast Internet

The internet is very fast. Downloading large files, making Skype calls or using Javascript-heavy SaaS apps is no problem.

I’m sure that there are plenty of places with faster Internet (Singapore, Hong Kong?), but the internet is good enough to be highly productive.

When I was living on  in the Philippines or  in Bali I constantly had internet issues.

Here’s a speed test I just ran at my apartment:
internet-speed-saigon

2. Cost of living

Saigon is one of those places where you can easily get by on $800/month, but you could also spend $4k/month if you are living the high life.

Compared to other digital nomad hotspots, Saigon (district 1) is slightly more expensive than Chiang Mai and a bit cheaper than Bangkok or Bali.

What I love about SE Asia is that not only are the living expenses here low, services like getting massages are very cheap. For example, I’ve recently hired a carpenter do build me a custom stand-up desk for about $65

How much does it cost to live well in Saigon?

Extrapolating from my current November expenses, this is how much I think I’ll spend this month:

  • Western style apartment in district 1 (including maid 3x week, electricity, internet): $500
  • Scuba diving vacation to Con Dao (small island near Saigon): $500
  • Motorbike rental: $60
  • Eating at restaurants: $300
  • Eating at home / buying groceries: $150
  • Going to cafes: $75
  • Misc expenses (phone credit, drinks, cinema, …): $150

Grand total: $1735

I don’t drink a lot of alcohol and rarely go to bars/clubs (the nightlife is stellar here!). Also keep in mind that I’m spending $500 on a scuba dive trip this month, so my actual living expenses are about $1200.

Check out my apartment:

aparment1

apartment2

James Clark who is much better with money than I am manages to spend less than $800/mo living in Saigon.

3. Efficient Transportation

If you are willing to get on a motorbike, getting arround Saigon is actually a lot more efficient than in other big Asian cities like Bangkok, Manila or Bali. Even taking a Taxi is usally faster than in said cities since there are not as many cars clogging the streets here.

Traffic in Saigon is crazy, but actually fairly safe. I rarely go faster than 40 km/h on my motor scooter.

saigon-traffic

On the flipside, public transport sucks. Sometimes I wish Saigon had a transportation system like Singapore or Vienna. That being said, I’d take a motorbike in Saigon over the BTS in Bangkok anytime.

4. Saigon is “happening”

I know this sounds vague, but there is so much energy here. Saigon is a huge city (6.6mm) full of people that are trying to make it happen. So many people are working hard trying to build a better future for themselves and their family.

Tons of driven people from all over Vietnam move from the countryside to Saigon to build a better life for themselves.

5. Great Cafe culture

Even though I don’t drink coffee, I love working from cafes.
There’s tons of great cafes here. Most of them have great WiFi and serve unlimited iced green tea for free.

idcafe
Above picture shows one of my favorite cafes, ID Cafe. The pic is stolen from James Clark, check out his post “The incredible cafe scene of Ho Chi Minh City”.

6. Little language barrier

If you are living in district 1, you’ll get by without ever having to learn Vietnamese. One of the things I disliked most about Thailand (Chiang Mai in particular) is that’s almost impossible to communicate with locals if you don’t learn the local language.

Vietnamese people are very proud of their language and identity, but that doesn’t keep them from learning English (unlike  people in places like France or Thailand).

7. Great food

I love Vietnamese food. The food is tasty, cheap, fairly healthy, but a bit heavy on rice and noodles. Jodi loves the food here so much that she is about to start offering food tours.

A bowl of Pho. Pic stolen from Jodi @ Legalnomads

A bowl of Pho. Pic stolen from Jodi @ Legalnomads

The great thing about Saigon is that if you’re not in the mood for Vietnamese food, there’s tons of other options. There are restaurants serving world-class food from places such as France, Italy, Japan or Spain. I probably eat sushi 2-3x per week.

8. Incredible community of online entrepreneurs

I know at least 20 other online entrepreneurs from all over the world that are living here and working on their businesses. This is an incredible community to spend time with and bounce ideas of each other. Most of them are members of the Dynamite Circle. There’s also a pretty cool coworking space called Saigon Hub.

Remember, you’re the average of your 5 best friends.

Bonus: Hiring opportunities

I haven’t fully taken advantage of this yet, but I have a couple of friends that are building out teams here in Saigon. Jesse Lawler has hired 5 or so software developers here while Steven is building a team of marketers.

Entry level programmers go for as little as $400-$500 per month while entry level freelance graphic designers can be hired for $2/hour.

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If you want to learn more about living in Saigon, check out this podcast I recorded with Dan Andrews a while ago. Also check out this post called “Bootstrapping in Saigon” by  Jon Myers.

Have you visited Saigon? If so, did you like it?
Do you have any questions about living in Saigon?

Leave a comment below.

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  • http://darylmander.com/ Daryl Mander

    Hey David, apartment looks nice and for $500 in D1 that sounds great. I’m coming to Saigon in Jan, where do you recommend I go to look for an apartment?

    • http://davidhehenberger.com/ davidhme

      Hey Daryl,

      It’s actually 2BR apartment that I’m sharing with Taylor. Total monthly costs are about $1000 / 2. I’ll email you the contact info of my real estate guy.

      Cheers,

      David

    • mgelgota

      Nice post thx David!
      @Daryl I came to Saigon after 8+ years renting in TYO/HKG so I thought 750USD would be a cheap apartment. Needless to say, I was stunned. Having been in Saigon for 3 months I can tell you that 500USD is actually on the high end for a sufficient place in a good location. My spot includes access to a couple very nice coworking spaces, SaigonHub.vn, (normally 90USD/mo) has a balcony, nice rooftop and pool(!) for only 400USD. Maid, laundry and utilities included. Ok, I’ll admit, the pool has been empty since I arrived for some reason :( and the interior of my place is a bit more spartan than David’s. But a lot of guys get by with 250-300USD for rent. Of course you can 10x that and ball out, but as David says, it is super affordable!

      • http://davidhehenberger.com/ davidhme

        Sounds like you’re staying at the Start Center. I’ve probably stayed there for 3 months last year, it’s a good place.

      • Engineered Reality

        Thanks for the info! I’m an American who has never been out of the United States but I’ve been giving lots of serious thought to getting out of the country for an extended period of time…

  • http://paulkortman.com namtrok

    Sounds awesome and I’m planning on being in Saigon this time next year. What about families with kids? Chiang Mai is the hub for expat families, how does Saigon rate?

    • http://davidhehenberger.com/ davidhme

      Good question. I don’t have any friends with families here. Most families seem to live in District 2 or District 7. My gut-feeling is that Chiang Mai or Bali might be a better place for families. It also depends how old your kids are.

  • Pierre Gosselin

    When an expat complain about the local not being able to communicate in your language…I really think you have a problem.

    • http://davidhehenberger.com/ davidhme

      My native tongue is German and I’m definitely not complaining about not being able to speak it =)

      In all seriousness though, unless you’re doing it as a hobby, the return on investment on learning some obscure South East Asian language with 7 tones is most likely going to be negative.

      This obviously changes if you decide to settle down / marry a local / etc, but that’s not really what I’m looking for.

  • http://www.stefanmaescher.com/ Stefan Maescher

    Hi David,

    Great article. Your apartment looks awesome!

    I just arrived in Saigon on Saturday. Let’s grab a drink some time!

    • http://davidhehenberger.com/ davidhme

      Stefan,
      Sounds great. I’ll be away this weekend, so let’s aim for drinks or a coworking session next week.

      • http://www.stefanmaescher.com/ Stefan Maescher

        Sounds good mate!

      • Tracy Deng

        Hi David,

        I really like your article. Can I post it on our website http://smileyapartment.com so many other people, including our current customers and prospects, can also benefit from your experiences?

        Tracy

    • Peter Pan

      hello. are you in vietnam now?

  • http://benhebert.com/ Ben Hebert

    David,

    Fantastic post. Can’t wait to get over there in 2014. Thanks for all of the info.

    • http://davidhehenberger.com/ davidhme

      Cheers!

  • http://www.shopifyninjas.com/ Tristan King

    Cool post David. Can’t wait to go back 😉 And good to know there’s a scuba diving spot in the vicinity. How was the diving?

    • http://davidhehenberger.com/ davidhme

      I’m going tomorrow. The place is called Con Dao. I’ll report back.

  • http://www.frontierlivin.com/ Taylor Pearson

    Viva Saigon!

    I totally agree that Saigon is “happening.” It’s not something you can explain though, you just have to be there to feel it. There’s something in the air that’s just so damn invigorating.

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  • Brian Binns

    David, Thanks for this great post. I was planning on moving to Bangkok or Chiang Mai early to mid 2014. I trade my own FX (Forex Account), and here in the United States that means I have to stay up all night to trade (because basically the FX market really moves most during the London Business day), and in South East Asia, because of the time-zone correlation, will can have a normal life. i.e., Work during the day and sleep at night (plus I love SEA) and the internet in BKK/CM is definitely good enough for my work. However, an acquaintance of mine (a business owner in Cambodia), has been telling me I should really be taking a serious look at Ho Chi Minh city. I know you did specifically point out the fast internet speed test in this post. My absolute most critical concern is Internet Speed/Stability/Dependability. Could you give a little more info. a the quality/dependability of your connection. How has your International Internet performance experience been? And is it easy to set up a Hardline connection? I plan on using a hardline connection with a Wifi Backup.

    • http://davidhehenberger.com/ davidhme

      Hi Brian,

      Internet is included in my apartment (see speedtest screenshot above). I’ve never had any issues, but occasionally Skype calls drop.

      I don’t know anything about setting up a new connection, but it might be a hassle.

      The internet won’t be better in Chiang Mai or Bangkok than it is here.
      Hope that helps.

      • Philip Lee

        Could you tell us the name of the internet company your using in Saigon please? :)

        • http://davidhehenberger.com/ davidhme

          I have no idea =)

          My landlady sorted it out.

          • Philip Lee

            Would you mind running speedtest again, it will tell you the name of the company your on on the bottom if you could be so kind! I am looking for a good net company in Vietnam at the moment, would help me a ton!

          • http://davidhehenberger.com/ davidhme

            Phil, unfortunately I’m currently not in Vietnam.

          • Philip Lee

            Got it… thanks anyways! Thats some incredible speeds you posted! ha

          • Tuấn Michael Lê
        • Jacob Gadikian

          https://quip.com/0RYWAaO1HPlR

          That’s a link to a comparison of ISP’s I put together for the coworking space w/ redundant Internet I’m setting up :).

        • https://www.facebook.com/ngoc.anh.12720 Cao Thị Ngọc Ánh

          I can name some internet companies that is famous in Ho Chi Minh city: VNPT and FPT

      • Paul Smith

        I can confirm that after living in Chiang Mai….. the internet sucks. 3 4* hotels so far have been disasterous. I did stay in prestige cm aparments for a month (19,000 baht) and it had an awesome LAN connection in the huge studio. If any digital nomads fancy Chiang Mai…. check this place out.

      • http://totavietnam.com Thiet ke logo

        Everything in saigon cost reasonable

    • Casey Anthony

      hey brian, did you make the move yet? are you using the think or swim platform? i’m currently living in japan and thinking about the move to hcmc.

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  • FrankAnthonyManzella

    Thanks for putting this together David…It’s great to know these options are out there. Best of luck with your projects

    • http://davidhehenberger.com/ davidhme

      Frank,

      Thanks for your comment. Hit me up if you ever come here.

      David

  • http://www.todayicanchange.com/ Robb Gorringe

    David,

    Very informative post. I’m an avid listener of TropicalMBA. The fact that you guys have an entrepreneurial camaraderie there in Ho Chi Minh City, doe makes me a tad bit jealous. 😉

    Rock on—

    Robb

    • http://davidhehenberger.com/ davidhme

      Thanks Rob!

      We’ve got a good crowd here for sure. If you’ve got a chance to do so I’d definitely recommend coming out here for a few weeks or months.

      Cheers,

      David

      • http://www.todayicanchange.com/ Robb Gorringe

        …’months’ sounds better. 😉 Thx D!

        R

  • An Vietnam

    Interesting article! I’m Vietnamese and living here for 29 years. I agree with you in item 5 (cafe culture) and 7 (great food) :)

    • An Vietnam

      Sorry, 9 years

    • kjetilstore

      Hi there :) We are considering to visit Saigon for a few days. Do you know of anyone we can pay to guide us ? Looking for someone who know the interesting bits, good restaurants (not the fancy restaurants, but the good local restaurants), where to stay, how to get around etc :) Any tips is welcome. Kind regards, Kjetil (Norway)

      • An Vietnam

        Hello, you can post this request on http://www.couchsurfing.org -> Ho Chi Minh city and many local people will help you. I have been living in Saigon for mostly 10 years but actually I don’t know much about good local restaurants.

      • https://www.facebook.com/ngoc.anh.12720 Cao Thị Ngọc Ánh

        Hi,Kjetilstore, I’m not sure that my comment reach you before your arrival to Saigon or not, but for the restaurant you can try Ngon restaurant, Cuc Gach restaurants that you can find on internet. Otherwise, many restaurants is running out there without name on internet. So just ask the locals nearby your hotel for it.
        Depend on your budget to get your stay, you can go to facebook and search for “Stay in SaiGon” or “Expat in Saigon” with Saigon as the former name of Ho Chi Minh city, you will see it heplful.
        The most interesting way to get around is to rent a motobike (or buy a motobkie tour). You will see how our transport is that reflect a part of our socierty. ^^. For more info, just email me! i’m willing to help.

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  • http://interestingreturns.ca Jeff

    Thanks for the great info, awesome video too! I’m looking at heading to HCMC next summer to baseline my business and you helped give me a clear idea of what to budget for.

  • http://www.RoseDigitalMarketing.com/ Christopher Rose

    You’re in Europe now I read, how’s that and where are you?

    • http://davidhehenberger.com/ davidhme

      In Barcelona. It’s great. I love Saigon but after almost 2 years it was time for a change.

      • http://www.RoseDigitalMarketing.com/ Christopher Rose

        Cool! Never been there but lots of friends have and rave about it.

        I’m going nomadic myself shortly, first France/Belgium/Netherlands and then down to southern Spain for the winter.

      • Diamond Hoy

        I am new to this form of q&a. Please excuse me for asking, but what is it that you do that allows you to travel so frequently? I would love to pick your mind more about this question do you by chance have an email which I may contact you with?

  • Impe83

    Nice, but I like to call it language “challenge” more than “barrier”! you cant pretend to learn english that easily, they are the third world after all (even in Europe we have more advanced countries where locals still dont speak english.. ):P

    • Vietwarrior

      A third world country with people who are not dumbheads when it comes to maths. Duh!

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  • primapagina

    David do you know a forum with info about living and doing business in Vietnam? Something like Thaivisa forum in Thailand?

    • http://davidhehenberger.com/ davidhme

      Great question! I’m not entirely sure. There’s a lot more Western expats in Thailand than in VN though.

      • primapagina

        I imagined, that. Actually I searched info about A) starting a small business (requirements, issues, and headaches) and B) work permit/Visa connected to the new company, but I just found out websites from consultants, agencies, and so on which just list the rules and state that everything is good and easy. I spent only one year in Thailand and a few moths in the surrounding countries (excluding Vietnam), so I know that reality is always very different from the theory and the laws. And local forums are the best source. But if you have a good source for some infos, please let me know. And maybe it’s time to make a forum there, Thaivisa makes a lot of money here, directly or indirectly.

        • http://davidhehenberger.com/ davidhme

          That’s true. Maybe you should start a forum =)

          Easiest way to figure things out is probably to show up in Saigon and talk to local expat business owners.

          • primapagina

            Exactly, probably in August. From Bangkok it is an easy trip, and I’d love to visit the city.

          • Peter Pan

            hello. how are you today?

    • https://www.facebook.com/ngoc.anh.12720 Cao Thị Ngọc Ánh

      you can go to the facebook and search for expat in saigon (Ho Chi Minh), work in Ho Chi Minh and things like this. ^^

  • Harry Jensen

    …..

  • Catherine J.

    Hi there, found this really interesting so thanks for posting! I was wondering if you knew how easy it would be for an expat to find work in HCMC? I will be moving with my partner who has been offered a position in the city.

    • http://davidhehenberger.com/ davidhme

      Probably depends on what kind of work you’re looking for, but there seems to be a lot of demand for skilled, educated Westerners.

  • karacomp

    Thumbs up for you about Saigon. By the way, do you still keep carpenter
    contact that makes you custom standing desk? I have looked around shops
    but failed to find one. Hand-made is the obvious choice.

    • http://jacobgadikian.com Jacob Gadikian

      *bump*

      Could *REALLY* use the contact info of a reliable carpenter. Thanks!

  • summer

    hi, i do agree any places also have good things and bad things, the bad thing i ever met which is the landlords i met they are not following the terms signed in the contract, and did not return the deposit like : 343/57 Nguyen Trong Tuyen, Ward 1, Tan Binh district, HCMC, vietnam. Her name is Lan. please note this place and be careful once you want to stay there.

    • Kikyo Kodo

      Well, what did she say when not returning your deposit? If you did not break the contract, you have right to take deposit back.

  • Esteban

    Hi,

    I’m thinking to live in Vietnam for a year to change the air, imbue my in their culture and break with my actual routine. I’m independent translator and I have many happy and loyal clients, so it I can work in any place in the world with internet.

    I like nature, sailing, reading. I consume tons of silence, makes me happy :)

    I don’t want to be travelling like a tourist during this year, so my plan is to rent a place that will be my home during the entire year. Eventually I wish to visit on some weekends other places in Asia: Cambodia, Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia, other places in Vietnam, Hong Kong and China.

    My wish is to live alone with my wife in a place near some river, beach or sea, with kitchen (I like to cook every day, this make me feel in home), minimum confort. Nightlife is not for me, I prefer family lifestyle.

    Can you recommend me some cities in Vietnam to do this?

    Thank you very much!

    Best regards from Argentina,

    Esteban

    • Tran Bich Ha

      Hi Esteban, Im Vietnamese and think can help you, in Vietnam the natural city is Da Lat, we call it Flower city because the weather and nature here. lots of flower and vegetable just can survive well in Da Lat. hope it helpful for you.

    • Lune Julien

      You can have a look in Mekong Delta.That is my hometown. It’s really nice and peacefull

    • https://www.facebook.com/ngoc.anh.12720 Cao Thị Ngọc Ánh

      Let come to Mui Ne where the beach is waving you. I have a Malaysian friend who got married to a Vietnamese girls and shettled near the Red sandunes with their daughter. His house looks to the beach where his wife plays surfing (her farvourite sport) and his daughter talks to snails, and he saves all these actions into his album everyday. They sell the paintings, he works online and there is a kingarden nearby as a heaven of his daughter. Of course there are many issues everyday that you can not avoid, but they are not too bad and no violence. His former house looked to Mui Ne fishing village where you can see people anchor their boats every early morning and transfer their seafood, you can enjoy the very fresh BBQ seafood on spot, then in the afternoon, sitting in front of your house, sightseeing the sunset and feeling the life slowly flows. From here you can go to Ho Chi Minh city for 200km (it takes 4 hours by bus) if you want to see how it is.

  • http://chicvoyagetravel.com/ Greg

    Great article David. I would love to try Saigon. It appears that Taiwan has a lot of the same benefits, but the public transport here is great with public bike rentals, mrt train, or bus. I think Canadians only get a month in Vietnam though.

    Here is a link if you’re interested more on Taiwan
    http://chicvoyagetravel.com/digital-nomad-in-taiwan/

    • http://toshuo.com toshuo

      Taiwan also has screamingly fast internet. When I visited last month, I got an unlimited mobile sim and the internet on my phone was better than I had at home in the SF Bay Area. 30 unlimited plans were like < $25 USD and there's also free wifi on every MRT train.

      At home you can get 100mbps if you want it and it's still not that pricey.

  • http://picklebeans.com Caleb

    I’m going to Saigon this Monday. Are any nomads still there or have they all gone back to Europe / Philippines? (ps., I’ll go to Philippines on Wednesday). Which Cafe is nomad-popular?

  • Tống Hoàng Phúc

    Furnished room, clean, beautiful, near the city centre

    Address: 21st Century Apartments, Ung Văn Khiêm, Phường 25, Bình Thạnh District, Ho Chi Minh, Vietnam

    The 30m2 private bedroom with a bathroom inside, is a part of the apartment with 2 bedrooms, a kitchen and a living room. We also provide free laundry service, fast internet connection, cooking at your ease, as well as a good English speaking community with several “foreigners” in a mile.

    The flat is highly secured. The fee is 250 usd per month, excluding bills. Bills will be shared evenly.

    It takes only 5 minutes to get to District 1, centre of the city by either taxi or motorcycle. The place is surrounded by shops, taxi, just everything you need, but still remains a quiet living while indoors. Most of people here can speak English.

    We respect the privacy. Further terms might be discussed while viewing the room and signing the contract.

    The landlord is living in-house. The guests will have the keys after signing the contract. We don’t have neither check in nor check out time. You keep the keys, you may come and leave whenever you want.

    Conditions:

    1. Guests have to be female or a couple.

    2. There is no more than 3 people staying in the room.

    3. Initial Payment is 3 months (750 usd) which includes security deposit of 500 usd, which will be fully refunded when the contract ends.

    4. One-Year contract will be offered a 20% discount.

    For further information or viewing the room, please call Peter on (+84) 932 753 420.

  • Effy Jimin Jung

    hello david:) I enjoyed reading your post! Thanks for the nice information as well! Am starting my internship from june for six months. Can you give me any advice for the housing?
    Thank you in advance,
    effy

  • Magallanes Residences

    wo hast auf den phils vorher gelebt? jetzt in bkk? wo ist es besser in bkk oder saigon?

    • Simang

      ich habe in phils gelebt moechte aber nach Vietnam fliegen

  • http://ilikeairplanes.com Nicole

    I just moved to Vietnam! Am enjoying the blog.

    • Simang

      can you tell me more? like how much to stay in a solo room?

      • Peter Pan

        hello how are you today? you want to come to vietnam?

    • Peter Pan

      hello how are you today?

  • biafra4good

    I lived in Saigon for 5 years teaching English.I am surprised the cost of living has even gone this high.It used to be just an average of 300-400usd dollars a month no matter your lifestyle.
    Great,peaceful place to be.I agree and appreciate they are willing to speak English but disagree when you complain about people who insist on speaking their own language in their own country.

    • J.r. Salvati

      Hi I’m thinking of heading over there to teach English. Do you recommend it? Been teaching esl all my life. I’m 50 and living in Rome. Thanks mate.

  • Wynn Pham

    Thank you David for the insight. I found your blog while searching google, I am thinking about relocate to SE Asia to reduce living expense and increase living standard. While in US, it requires $2,000 just to crack the nut, with that same amount I think I can do very well in Sai Gon. I trade US equities for a living, which I can live anywhere as long as it has realiable internet.

  • http://www.highlyfocused.net Unanimus-HighlyFocused

    If you are out there doing something like an online job how are you obtaining work visas?

  • Matt

    Hey Mate, thanks for your post. What’s the name of this apartment you stayed at? Thanks for your help.

  • Full Nguyen

    It’s really interesting when read your review about VietNam. We are always friendly and help people in needs.

  • Makayla

    Top 10 most typical delicious dishes of Vietnam:
    1. Phở
    2. Nem rán
    3. Bánh mì kẹp
    4. Bún chả
    5. Cao lầu Hội An
    6. Bún bò Huế
    7 Bánh Xèo
    8. Chả cá Lã Vọng
    9. Bún bò Nam Bộ
    10. Hủ Tiếu

  • Chris Hostettler

    Is the currency mentioned USD?
    I have a request to work for 6 month at TAT machinery, which is east of Saigon city (appartment provided).
    Weather might be a problem in summer 30C and 90% humidity?
    How is air quality / pollution?
    Can you keep your passport on you or is it taken when staying overnight at a hotel?

  • http://maylanhtrieuan.com kdtrieuan

    thank for you aharing!

  • Ulrich Becker

    Hi just arriving at HCM city looking for an apartment. You write in your article about 500 USD for a services apt. Can you help with some addresses. I need it from now. Thanks in advance for your reply Kind regards Ulrich

  • http://www.aalimousineandsedan.com James Jayden

    I really like traveling isn’t their any nice places their so that I can Hire Limo Service so that I can easily enjoy every single place their

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